Get Your Rebuild Ready for Free Agency

By: Jay Pounds (@jaypoundsnfl)

Dynasty Owners it is that time of the week again. I finally have some football news to talk about with a few players having already signed new deals. Of course, we also saw the modern day Brett Favre start his crap by coming out of retirement after announcing it just two months ago. As I am sure all of you have heard, Tom Brady will be back for another season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. While I don’t like it, this is excellent news for many fans, it is also great news here on Dynasty Owner as Brady has an affordable $25,000,000 contract. The Brady news will influence many of our Dynasty Owners as Chris Godwin ($19,179,600 contract for 2023) and Mike Evans ($16,500,000) lose zero value and it will also improve the value of any free agents who sign with Tampa. I do have two players I would like all of you rebuilders to keep an eye on and they are Jalen Darden ($1,044,476) and Tyler Johnson ($902,355). I believe one of these two players will secure the WR3 role during the pre-season and both can be had extremely cheap right now.

Let’s move on to the contract I hate for Dynasty Owner and if I am being honest a contract that highlights why Dynasty Owner is so great. One of the bigger moves that was made on Monday was Christian Kirk signing with the Jacksonville Jaguars for a reported $18,000,000 a season. In my opinion this makes Kirk virtually untouchable in Dynasty Owner. If I had to put a number on it, I am guessing Kirk will be owned in roughly 10-20% of leagues, which is way too high unless he puts up numbers we have never seen from him before. In your average dynasty league, Christian Kirk is someone most will target in the middle rounds in hopes he can be a high end WR3, but how many real teams were willing to pay Kirk the price tag he received? The answer is probably around 10% and you will see similar numbers here on our platform. If you are a first-time reader, these are just a few examples of what makes Dynasty Owner so much fun for fantasy football fanatics.

In honor of my favorite time of the Dynasty Owner year – free agency – I wanted to put together a quick guide on what to expect out of the free agency process as a rebuilding user. Dynasty Owner’s off-season is like nothing you have seen before as our users will need to make tough roster decisions based on the player’s actual contract. Dynasty Owner’s free agency closely mimics the decisions the 32 NFL GMs must make, giving you a small taste of what these guys go through and the decisions they are faced with daily. In today’s article I will be covering three things I feel are important for all newer rebuilding Dynasty Owners in the hope of helping you be better prepared for later this week.

Contracts to Target

In Dynasty Owner, there are two things that stand out above all else, a player’s production and the contract that he signs. In the off-season last year, I was shocked by the movement in Dynasty Owner’s free agency and the price some players can be had for. I know these are not the best names to bring up but last off-season I was able to target Keelan Cole ($5,500,000) for a third round pick and saw Kenny Golladay get moved for the same. On top of Golladay being flat out cut in another league because of his $18,000,000 contract paired with the fact he signed with the Giants. As a rebuilding owner you should not be targeting contracts like this, but it is ok to move them for less than you feel they are worth, after all contract price matters a ton. You will see many tempting big name players available and my best advice to you is hold off on these players if they are not extremely young. As of now there is one bigger contract, I feel all rebuilding owners should have interest in and that is Michael Gallup who just signed a 5-year deal at $11,500,000 per season. While the Gallup contract looks like a lot to take on, he will be an absolute steal as soon as this year and should be an incredible value for the life of the deal if he is able to overcome his knee injury from last season.

Now that we have covered contracts you should target, let’s cover those you should not.  The types of contract situations rebuilding owners should avoid are that of Davante Adams ($20,145,000), who is on the franchise tag this season and will be signing a huge new deal come 2023 at an age that doesn’t fit on a rebuilding timeline. Overall, this comes down to finding young players who are getting paid below market value on long-term deals while sending away older expensive players who can help a contender. If you can pull this off, it will help your team become cap flexible, allowing you to take on a bad contract in exchange for extra draft picks.

What to Do with Your Rostered Players

The most obvious answer in this segment is to keep your players but I assure you there are plenty of different routes you can go. The best way to break this down quickly is to refer you back to articles I have previously wrote on how to rebuild some of our users’ teams (The Black and Yellow – League #27451 and Vantastics – League #30326). In these articles, I break each team down into four separate categories which are: Building Blocks, Players to Trade, Players to Cut, and Players to Hold.

If you look back, you should get a great feel of what players fit into each category but be sure you do not use the article on Eli’s Team unless you are contending. As much as I want to believe you will all go look for the old articles, I know it’s a pain so I will give you a brief description of each category before we move on to the next segment.

  • Building Blocks – Building blocks will be the most important category for your team as they will be the foundation for your team moving forward. In most situations your building blocks will stand out as they will be highly productive on rookie contracts. There happens to be an outlier if you are just starting a rebuild and that is trade your running backs who are a year closer to a second contract. Yes, even Jonathan Taylor ($1,957,287). A building block is a player who you are certain will be producing at a high level when it comes time for your team to win. Players like Justin Jefferson ($3,280,701), Kyle Pitts ($8,227,624), and Joe Burrow ($9,047,534) are excellent building blocks to have.
  • Players to Trade – Players to trade seems self-explanatory right? It is but I will break it down a bit further. Players in this category should be running backs who have finished a year in the league, unless you plan on winning within the next year or two. The other types of players you’ll want to include here are players who do not fit your rebuilding timeline. A great example of this would be DeAndre Hopkins who is 29 years old on a $27,250,000 contract. The average rebuild takes three years and that’s what you should plan for.
  • Players to cut – I will not spend much time on this as these players are obvious. A player who does not offer any value in a trade is a player who can be cut.
  • Players to Hold – The players to hold category happens to be my favorite because of the many differing opinions on players. Typically, a player to hold is a player who you believe has future value and has not broken out just yet. The other type of players you will want to hold are players whose trade value may be down. Never trade a slumping player on a discount unless you are sure they are on the way down permanently.

Getting Prepared for the Rookie Draft

The rules of getting prepared for the rookie draft are similar for all teams but there are a few things I try to do if I am rebuilding my team.

  • Identify your Needs – Now is the time to start thinking about the upcoming rookie draft and filling out your roster. After the huge free agency surge, your needs should be obvious, and you can start building a sound plan towards the future.
  • Identify your Targets in the Draft – After the NFL’s free agency, all eyes will be solely focused on the draft and getting to know the incoming rookies. You should be doing the same. The reason you will want to identify your targets beforehand is so that you can make trades, accordingly, meaning if you love the fit of Garrett Wilson and he is projected to go fifth overall, you need to trade back to the third or fourth spot and grab more value. A mistake I see a lot is, I didn’t trade back because the offer wasn’t good enough when they could have picked up a late second round pick to draft the same player. Lots and lots of mock drafts will help this process a ton!
  • Don’t be Afraid to Trade on Draft Day – After you have the two things above handled it is time to start making trades. A lot of these trades will get rejected but don’t feel discouraged, just send it again on Draft Day. The time to take less in a trade is not now as your picks tend to hold the most value when you are on the clock. Rookie fever is real!

Summary

Free agency will be upon us in just a few days and as a rebuilding Dynasty Owner you better be prepared. Each of these categories will be crucial steps in your rebuilding journey and I encourage you to reach out on Twitter (@jaypoundsnfl) if you need any help. As I mentioned earlier be sure to check back to earlier articles of my Rebuilding with our Dynasty Owners series.

Thank you all for reading and be sure to check out content from my fellow analysts, Steve, Matt, and Nate. Stay safe out there and good luck on your 2022 Chase for the Ring!

Rebuilding with Our Dynasty Owners

Team – The Black and Yellow – League #27451

Owner – Bryan Peck

By: Jay Pounds (@jaypoundsnfl)

Dynasty Owners, the 2021 season is officially in the books and the Rams are now World Champions! I was a little worried about my prediction after OBJ went down but as expected Aaron Donald and company took over the game. The Rams’ Super Bowl obsession is officially complete! I unfortunately have no more football games to talk about but there are numerous things on the Dynasty Owner schedule that will keep everyone entertained. In the coming months we will have free agency, rookie drafts, endless trading, startup drafts, and much more ahead. Be sure to stay tuned to make sure you get the upper hand on your league mates.

I know I tend to ramble in my intros, but today we have a ton to cover, so I will jump right in. As mentioned last week, I will be covering one of Bryan Peck’s (@bbpckdancer) rebuilding rosters and instead of breaking down the full roster right away and boring you to death, I will be sure to include each player in the categories. I also had Bryan ask a few questions he wanted answered for his team and I will cover each below. One thing I do want to mention is that just because a player falls in a certain category for Bryan does not mean the same for your rebuilding roster. For instance, both Bryan and I have D.J. Moore in a rebuild, but I am going to tell Bryan to trade Moore while I am going to keep him on my personal team as a building block. Your roster and cap situation has a ton to do with what players you need to keep or trade.

Building Blocks

  1. Patrick Mahomes – $45,000,000
  2. Travis Etienne – $3,224,526
  3. Justin Jefferson – $3,280,701
  4. Pat Freiermuth – $1,507,045
  5. Najee Harris – $3,261,862 (potential trade candidate)

Bryan has excellent building blocks on this team and has several ways he can go about rebuilding this team. I do feel he will have to decide between running at a championship this year and taking one more year to fill out the roster before going all in. An important thing to remember is Patrick Mahomes contract will only become more friendly as seasons pass which will continuously gain Bryan more flexibility.

Hold these Players

  1. Robert Tonyan – Free Agent
  2. Tommy Tremble – $1,231,608
  3. Deonte Harty – Free Agent
  4. Tylan Wallace – $1,041,341

While Bryan does not have any potential stars in this category, I do feel there are players that can consistently contribute over time. Robert Tonyan is my favorite sure thing on the list and would not trade him until he is back healthy. Tommy Tremble is another player I am high on and would not trade as he will not return any type of value at this time. Players with high ceilings that send no value back in trades are players who rebuilding owners should either target in a trade or hold if already rostered.

Players to Trade Away

  1. D.J. Moore – $11,116,000 (Fifth Year Option)
  2. Jerick McKinnon – Free Agent
  3. Zach Ertz – Free Agent
  4. Kyle Trask – $1,383,834

As I mentioned earlier, D.J. Moore is a trade candidate on this roster. The reason for this is because while D.J. Moore is a fantastic receiver, he is set to play on his $11.116 million fifth year option and may get a new deal this off-season. Bryan’s team could use some extra cap space to add depth players to this roster even with the Amnesty candidate you will see later in the article. Kyle Trask is the player on this list who needs immediate attention as I do not see the ready to win Buccaneers rolling with him next season. Trade him while it looks like he should have value even though we all know he will not in the coming months.

Players who Can Be Cut

  1. Greg Ward – Free Agent
  2. Marquez Stevenson – $913,136
  3. Thaddeus Moss – Free Agent

As you can see there is not a whole lot to talk about here. I would look to cut these guys and replace them with players that have more potential in the Free Agent Auction, such as Isaiah McKenzie or Tre’Quan Smith. Both of those players have cheap 2021 contracts on the books now, but are free agents in 2022.

Amnesty Provision Candidate

  1. Russell Wilson – $35,000,000

One way to easily keep D.J. Moore is by using the Amnesty Provision on Russell Wilson, but I do not think that is the route I would go unless I were planning to go for it this season. The better move is to trade Moore, amnesty Wilson and have loads of available cap space to remain flexible and take on a bad deal if needed.

Questions from Bryan Peck

Q. Based on the constructed roster as is, which players would you consider as building blocks, trade assets, hold for now, and droppable players? If players are under the trade asset category, what would be the value you are asking for those players?

A.  The first part of this question is obviously answered earlier in the article, but I love the second part. The players I have listed may not bring back a ton of value but there are some good deals to be had. The main player I would look to trade is D.J. Moore and yes, a very solid case can be made for the opposite. Moore is on his fifth year option and may get a new deal this off-season. While using an Amnesty Provision on Russell Wilson will save you a bunch of cap space, I feel you can turn Moore into a high first round pick, even if you must throw in a third round pick to get it done. This will enable you to save cap space while potentially drafting someone with a much higher ceiling and would target this year’s draft when doing so.

Zach Ertz is another player I would look to trade as he just upped his value quite a bit with the Cardinals. It may be beneficial to wait until he re-signs in Arizona before trading but either way, he is someone I would move on from. As far as value for Ertz I would look for a second round pick back or find a way to package Ertz, picks, and Moore for a player like Kyle Pitts ($8,227,624).

The last player I will talk about here is Najee Harris and I happen to know Bryan is a huge Najee Harris fan (hint his team name is The Black and Yellow). If Bryan decides to take 2022 to focus on adding depth and rounding out his roster, I would consider moving Harris for a massive return. Remember picks can always be flipped for a win now player and Najee will certainly hurt your draft positioning next season.

Q. What depth players would you target: age range, positions, preferred contracts for players?

A. I will break this answer down into 3 separate sections to ensure I cover each part. The depth players I would consider for this roster are high-end handcuff running backs to trade away when they hit, young receivers with enormous potential for 2023 and beyond (think Gabriel Davis this season), and young tight ends like Tommy Tremble who will get better as they develop.

In any rebuild I will always target younger players. The age range can vary by position, for instance I would stay away from running backs past their second to third year in the league, while age 26 is my sweet spot for receivers.

The contract question is a bit loaded as I feel the answer will always be cheaper is better, but it is perfectly ok and usually beneficial for rebuilding owners to trade for a bad contract in return for young assets or draft capital.

Q. Based on the current roster as is, should this team be considered in slow rebuild mode of more than three years, fast rebuild of 1-2 years, a one and done playoff team, or contending for a championship?

A. A great question to ask as most users are usually biased when evaluating their own personal teams. On this team I would personally go the one and done route. For anyone wondering, that means Bryan will be competitive but will not make it out of the first round of the playoffs barring luck and if he plays his cards right, he may even have a bonus pick to win. As hard as it may be for Bryan, I think in this scenario the best bet is to move on from Najee Harris and target one of the extremely talented running backs in the 2023 draft class to replace him. I know it is painful moving on from a star player on your favorite team but top end running backs are extremely productive as soon as they enter the league making them highly volatile. If you do decide to keep Najee around it may be beneficial to make a run this year vs wasting Year 2 of Najee Harris. I also see Bryan winning too many games to get a high-end draft pick if he does decide to keep D.J. Moore and Najee Harris around.

Summary

Overall, Bryan has this team in a great position moving forward with a potential six building blocks on the roster. I know it may seem a little counterintuitive to move on from two of his highly productive players, but I think the assets he receives will outweigh what he is trading away. Bryan has also done an excellent job keeping all his team’s draft capital on top of picking up extra picks and now he can use that and his building blocks to build a true powerhouse. If Bryan goes the route I would, he will enter 2022 with the ability to build around Patrick Mahomes whose deal will get better as it continues to age, Justin Jefferson, Pat Freiermuth, and two first round picks in 2022. If Bryan does move on from Moore and Harris, he could have a potential seven first round picks over the next three years leaving him more than enough fire power to become a powerhouse while having cap flexibility.

Let’s talk about a few goals I would set for the 2022 season in the scenario Bryan will trade D.J. Moore and potentially Najee Harris. The first goal I would set is to trade either the Number 1 or Number 3 overall pick in the 2022 draft for a quarterback early in their rookie deal plus a nice sweetener, or he can move the top pick for a 2023 first round pick and a good young receiver. Next, I would find another top end receiver to pair with Justin Jefferson in the upcoming rookie draft (hello, Treylon Burks or Garrett Wilson). Once you have that accomplished, I would start to look for a young QB for your practice squad spot. Davis Mills could be a cheap gamble that pays off, or you can look to the draft as well, hell you could even do both. The last thing I would try to do is find another tight end to develop, or trade for a sure-fire tight end like I mentioned earlier with Kyle Pitts. If you can accomplish these goals as well as find some depth for your team, you will be in great shape for a 2023 championship run as you will only need to target a couple running backs, especially if Etienne turns out to be special.

Overall, I would hope to be close to set at every position aside from running back heading into 2023 when it will be time to draft and trade for multiple running backs. I know some may say Bryan should run at a title this season with the draft capital he has, but I think he has an opportunity to build an absolute long term powerhouse vs a one or two year run if he makes the right moves by stocking up on a ton of top level talent on rookie contracts.

If any of you have a team you would like me to cover please contact me on Twitter and I will gladly help. Be sure to check out the other articles from Steve, Nate, and Matt throughout the week. Thank you all for reading and good luck on your 2022 Chase for the Ring!

All About Orphan and For Sale by Owner Teams

By: Jay Pounds (@jaypoundsnfl)

Dynasty Owners welcome back to another wonderful week of rebuilding with yours truly. Last week, I went ahead and broke down one of Steve Van Tassell’s teams that needs a rebuild and hopefully we pointed him in the right direction, and he was able to move Devin Singletary. We did get feedback via Twitter on Steve’s team with most being about the building blocks. I made sure to throw a Brevin Jordan curveball high and inside and some of you smashed it out of the park while giving me the old Jose Bautista bat flip in the process.

In the coming weeks I plan to do the same thing that I did for Steve with other Dynasty Owners by breaking down their teams in the hopes of giving you a wide variety of content, strategies, trade values, and much more. I initially had something else planned for next week’s article but Bryan Peck (@bbpckdancer) had questions on one of his rebuilding teams on Twitter so I will go ahead and cover his team for all to see and input on instead.

In this week’s article, I will be covering the features of the Dynasty Owner store but before we get into today’s content, I would like to give my prediction for the big game this weekend, the Super Bowl between the Los Angeles Rams and the Cincinnati Bengals. I have to say it still doesn’t seem real having the Bengals in the Super Bowl, but I don’t think we live in a game of Madden so it must actually be happening. I did happen to see a preview of the field painted the other day and it just felt wrong to see an Ohio team’s logo on the same field as the Super Bowl logo. I guess that’s just part of being a younger football fan! Enough of the googly eyes towards the Bengals making the Super Bowl, let’s break down what I think will happen in this game. The Bengals offense has performed well this season, but in my opinion, this is a terrible matchup for them. The strength of the Bengals this season has been Ja’Marr Chase and the Rams have the one guy capable of shutting him down in Jalen Ramsey. The biggest weakness of the Bengals this season has been the offensive line. A line that allowed Joe Burrow to be sacked nine times against the Tennessee Titans. The Bengals still won the game as they somehow managed to not turn the ball over.  I have a bad feeling that if the Bengals give up more than a few sacks the outcome will be vastly different against Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Von Miller and company. Football is a game of strengths and weaknesses and I just think the Rams’ strengths play out very well against the things the Bengals struggle to do. Ultimately, I think for the Bengals to win Tee Higgins, their defense, and Joe Burrow will have to play lights out. It’s a massive game and nerves will certainly be high meaning anything can happen, but I just don’t see this Bengals team being able to match up with the Rams for 60 minutes. The Rams win the second straight home game in the Super Bowl 31-21 completing their obsession of winning a Super Bowl in their home stadium.

As mentioned earlier, the article will be all about the Dynasty Owner store and the features inside of it. The Dynasty Owner store is all about helping to keep Dynasty Owner leagues alive and creating the best user experience possible for all Dynasty Owners. This article will mainly focus on the orphan store where Dynasty Owners can buy teams that have been abandoned for some reason. Many of these teams aren’t very good and need to be rebuilt, which is exciting for someone like me who likes a good rebuild. During the coverage of orphan teams, I will also go over what you should look for in an orphan team as well as things to do shortly after buying. I will look at the available orphan teams and ask all of you for help on which team I should choose. Yes, you read that right after we have decided on a team, I will buy the team and begin rebuilding it through articles and videos beginning two weeks from now. Finally, we’ll take a look at the For Sale by Owner store, which has more teams available in it for people more interested in taking over a more established team that might not need as much work.

How to Pick an Orphan Team

A question I don’t see a whole lot is people asking about is what to look for when picking out an orphan team to rebuild. If I am being completely honest with you, there is nowhere near a correct answer to any version of this question and really comes down to personal preference. If you are looking to buy an orphan team, the main thing that you should look for is what you want and what I mean by that is how much of a challenge do you want with this team that you are about to rebuild. When buying an orphan team several things factor into how quick you can rebuild the team but the one thing that stands out more than anything else as most important, but happens to be completely out of your control, is how active your new league mates will be when it comes to making trades. However, by taking over an orphan team, you can help rejuvenate a league with a fresh outlook and desire to make deals. Just beware that in an orphan rebuild your goals may take much longer and become much harder to obtain when trades happen at the rate of an elderly 100-meter dash. I am going to assume not many are like me and look for the toughest rebuild available so I will give you a few tips on what to look for.

When looking for a good orphan team to rebuild the first major thing to look for is the team’s building blocks at the quarterback, tight end, and wide receiver positions just as we went over with Steve’s team last week. In any rebuild, building blocks are the most important thing as the foundation of your roster. It is no different than rebuilding your own team. After I declare my building blocks, I then start looking for players who are a little older but will still fetch significant value in a trade, which is important when it comes to speeding a rebuild up. A player like Devante Adams is someone you would want to trade quickly and in return he will bring back great future value for your roster. In all fantasy football formats, rookie picks are important, but Dynasty Owner especially puts a premium on rookie picks because of the salary cap and the cheaper contracts that comes with players on their rookie deal. In other words, when rebuilding try to trade Travis Kelce for future picks or Pat Freiermuth and future picks. Another important thing to look at when selecting an orphan team is the salary cap situation. The last thing you want to do is select an orphan team that has four players who can’t be traded and need to be dropped using an Amnesty Provision. Salary cap hell and rebuilding do not mix all that well. The last major thing you want to look at is the future draft capital the team has. I will never recommend a rebuilding orphan teams with no future picks because you will look like the Rams come 2026. If you happen to buy an orphan, please feel free to let me know what your plans and goals are for your newly purchased orphan team on Twitter.

Help me pick my New Orphan Team

It is rebuilding time folks! Not that I am currently rebuilding three teams already or anything. What can I say, it is my favorite part of fantasy football because it forces me to be much more engaged in making moves. In the orphan store, we are currently down to just four teams as they have been flying off the shelves since the end of the 2021 season. In other words, we may have to act quickly when acquiring the new team. When selecting this team, I will take any consideration from you, but I do have a few requirements. Actually, that’s not true. I have zero requirements and don’t care how daunting of a rebuild it is, we will find a way to get it done in a reasonable time frame!

Instead of breaking down these orphan rosters in the article, I want to encourage all of you to check out each of the orphan teams in the store and let me know which team you think I should choose. Be sure to check the team’s future draft capital as well. If you do want to see an in-depth look at each roster by me, please check out the video associated with this article for the breakdown.

Teams For Sale by Owner

Another method to get more involved in Dynasty Owner without having to draft a bunch of start-up teams is to look and buy one of the For Sale by Owner team. It’s a place to help make sure that Dynasty Owner leagues don’t have an inactive Dynasty Owner and a great place to start your Dynasty Owner experience.

For current Dynasty Owners who need to cut down the number of teams they have or aren’t happy with a certain league, it’s a good way to remove yourself from the league while keeping it together for everyone else. Dynasty Owners can sell one team at a time if they need to do so for any reason. At the current moment, the Dynasty Owner store has a whopping 50 teams for sale that range from $20- $500 so there are options for everyone interested in buying a team in this way.

For some people, it can help take the anxiety out of being a Dynasty Owner newcomer and they might end up with a well-rounded team under the cap with a fat bank account. After examining the teams available in the store, I noticed one thing that stood out above the rest and that was the expensive teams all have an abundance of talent and a serious shot at winning a League Championship in the upcoming season. Why? Let’s be honest, no one wants to buy an expensive turd. Personally, if I am going to buy a team for a decent amount, I would need to see at least one Top 10 quarterback, three capable running backs, a solid cast of pass catchers (WRs or TEs), and good depth in case of injuries. I have also noticed a couple interesting rebuilding options in the store for our Dynasty Owners who love a challenge, as well as some middle of the road teams that have the potential to be turned around quickly for cheap. No matter what way you spin it, I feel the store is a great way to keep Dynasty Owner leagues going and has a chance to change fantasy football as we know it. It will always come with a wide range of teams so any of our users can find a team that fits what they are looking for!

Another reason to check out the store is it gives future Dynasty Owners a way to purchase a team before ever drafting their own. They don’t have to wait for a 2022 start-up draft to get involved with Dynasty Owner. That’s right, if you have a friend who hasn’t played Dynasty Owner before, they can create an account, buy a team in the For Sale by Owner store and start their own dynasty. Let those fantasy football fanatic friends who aren’t part of Dynasty Owner know they can start their Dynasty Owner experience now by buying either an orphan or For Sale by Owner team and working on it before the 2022 start-up drafts start in late May. It’s a great way to get involved in Dynasty Owner during the long off-season after the Super Bowl.

Be sure to check out articles and videos by Steve, Matt, and Nate throughout the week and don’t forget about the Livestream Wednesday’s at 4 pm (Eastern). Thank you for reading and good luck on your 2022 Chase for the Ring!